Unable to spend from BlueWallet linked to my LndHub and my lightning node

I followed the instructions at /connect/bluewallet to connect my BlueWallet to my LNDHub instance and I was able to load sats into that wallet (a transfer from Muun wallet) BUT I am unable to spend outward from this wallet.

Are my 100,000 sats recoverable? I’ve asked around and can’t get an answer. Nobody seems to know.

My wallet shows it’s pointing to my online LNDHub onion Url. My lightning node has zero channels open but does show connections to the network.

When I try to send money to my Umbrel lightning wallet, I get: The error I get is API error: Something went wrong. Please try again later (code 6).

I tried sending to a Muun wallet also, and it fails, with a different error code. Api Error: Payment failed. Does the receiver have enough inbound capacity? (code 10). In this case I do see my lndhub getting hit from my BlueWallet phone app.

My bluewallet-lndhub log does not display the error I see on the client side. Here is the obsfuscated log:

2022-04-23T16:55:39.131Z : info: [/auth] : ["___"]
e139e4d5-28f1-4cfe-b514-a53b97f7f05e 10.21.21.49 - - [23/Apr/2022:16:55:39 +0000] "POST /auth?type=refresh_token HTTP/1.1" 200 118 "-" "BlueWallet/1643409602 CFNetwork/1331.0.7 Darwin/21.4.0"
2022-04-23T16:55:41.191Z : info: [/payinvoice] : ["___","userid: e16668ef54867XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX67b3e1bd08c80","invoice: lnbc980u1p3x........xrcqd6pgrr"]
2022-04-23T16:55:41.221Z : info: [/payinvoice] : ["___","userBalance: 100000","num_satoshis: 98000"]
32aea845-1afe-474d-9071-ab0876fe3562 10.21.21.49 - - [23/Apr/2022:16:55:41 +0000] "POST /payinvoice HTTP/1.1" 200 100 "-" "BlueWallet/1643409602 CFNetwork/1331.0.7 Darwin/21.4.0"
2022-04-23T16:55:43.487Z : info: [/balance] : ["___"]
2022-04-23T16:55:43.488Z : info: [/balance] : ["___","userid: e16668ef54867XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX67b3e1bd08c80"]
6d2a3e10-a78e-4dd6-943a-a3e579fa0b7e 10.21.21.49 - - [23/Apr/2022:16:55:43 +0000] "GET /balance HTTP/1.1" 200 35 "-" "BlueWallet/1643409602 CFNetwork/1331.0.7 Darwin/21.4.0"
2022-04-23T16:55:50.038Z : info: [/gettxs] : ["___"]
2022-04-23T16:55:50.039Z : info: [/gettxs] : ["___","userid: e16668ef54867XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX67b3e1bd08c80"]
a049bca5-3395-4e24-8fab-afd1a16403ce 10.21.21.49 - - [23/Apr/2022:16:55:50 +0000] "GET /gettxs?limit=10&offset=0 HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "BlueWallet/1643409602 CFNetwork/1331.0.7 Darwin/21.4.0"
2022-04-23T16:55:51.968Z : info: [/getpending] : ["___"]
2022-04-23T16:55:51.969Z : info: [/getpending] : ["___","userid: e16668ef54867XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX67b3e1bd08c80"]
1e5d48c9-370f-4cf5-910c-2d9ef19eed71 10.21.21.49 - - [23/Apr/2022:16:55:51 +0000] "GET /getpending HTTP/1.1" 200 2 "-" "BlueWallet/1643409602 CFNetwork/1331.0.7 Darwin/21.4.0"
2022-04-23T16:55:53.812Z : info: [/getuserinvoices] : ["___"]
2022-04-23T16:55:53.813Z : info: [/getuserinvoices] : ["___","userid: e16668ef54867XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX67b3e1bd08c80"]

-Jon

Ok, this article is helpful. Not sure yet if it will solve my issue but it does provide insight: Umbrel + BlueWallet + LNDHub

Ok, solution was that I created a wallet in a BW-LNDHub , but I had 0 liquidity channels to the outside world.

I could have spend money to other wallets in my LNDHub, but I needed a LN-Node liquidity channel in order to actually spend to the outside world.

Have you been able to fix the issue?

Yeah, like I said in my previous comment. The reason I couldn’t spend from the wallet on LNDHub was (apparently?) because I needed at least 1 channel open to somewhere outside my BW-LNDHub. I was finally, therefore, able to spend my sats to a Muun wallet.

Does that sound right to you? Does it sound like I understand what happened? None of the docs specifically said I needed a open channel and so I had to figure that out. The url I referenced above (by Darthcoin) said that LNDHub wallets are only able to talk to each other (in general) and that is what clued me in to the solution I think.

In the same guide I point you, there’s a link where it describe exactly WHAT is a lndhub https://bluewallet.io/lndhub/ - " multiple account plugin for Lightning built on top of the Lightning Network Deamon"

It is very logic that you need to have a LN channel open in order to use them.

Yeah, in retrospect I see what you mean. Was just a learning experience. I wanted to link BlueWallet to my Node, and not knowing how, I proceeded blindly. You can see, from that point of view, how I got lost.

It certainly helped A LOT, once I knew what LNDHub was.

If you want to “play” with lndhub wallets without LN channels, use Lnbits (another app in Umbrel).
Here I wrote 2 guides about that:

Pay attention to details I wrote there:

  • add the line in your lnd.conf file for circular payments
  • use the sqlite database editor to edit and add “fictitious” funds in LNbits lndhub wallets.

Remember: the payments between these lnbits lndhub wallets will work ONLY between them, NOT with real world outside world. But for testing and fun can work.
Use Zeus or bluewallet mobile app to scan and import those lndhub wallets.

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